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Spectre65

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  1. Wow. Re-opened after 3 years. Cool ! ! !
  2. Sorry bud, If I did 9mm, I would. They are a great gun. I just don't like the caliber. Besides, I just replaced two of my guns finally, and am working on the other 3, and they are very specific, with no room to compromise or substitute. After those 3 and the mags for one of them are replaced, then I'll have room to go back to experimenting. But you shouldn't have any trouble unloading it. And you can probably get what you paid for it out of it. Just clean it well.
  3. I didn't take it personally at all bud. I knew exactly what you were saying, and agree with you. Just presenting my views as well. And for the record, I totally agree with you. You can put a 45 in the hands of someone who can't hit paper, and a 22 in the hands of someone who rarely if ever misses the 10 ring, and guess who I'm going to trust at my back. You guessed it, the person with the 22. If you can't hit what you aim at, then you're going to be a meat pie on the coroner's table, because before you can get a lucky round off and hit the bad guy, he will empty his magazine into you, and you're dead. I think the moral of both our stories here is 1) if you aren't going to practice and learn to hit the target, don't pick up a gun of any caliber, much less get a permit to carry one. 2) if you do take on the responsibility of owning a gun and/or carrying it on a regular basis, pick a caliber that you are comfortable with, no matter what opinions you read on a forum, and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. If you don't do these 2 things, the gun you bought for self defense or home protection will get you killed. IF you aren't comfortable with the caliber because of recoil, and the gun doesn't fit your hand well, you won't shoot well. And to stay alive in a shooting, you have enough to worry about, what with adrenaline, stress, and everything that is going on, you don't have room to be constantly adjusting your grip because the gun doesn't fit your hand, or overcompensating because you can't handle the recoil. Having to worry over those two things alone will get you killed in a gunfight. It's just like I listen to all these salesmen in gun shops telling everyone that the only shotgun worth having for home defense is a 12 gauge 3" mag loaded with 00 buck. That is a load of horse ######, pardon my french, and can get you killed. Any of the buckshot rounds has horrendous recoil, and you had better practice with it A LOT. Because if you miss with the first shot, you better be able to get the 2nd of quickly. A better choice would be any shotgun with a 7 1/2 bird load in it, which is a lot more deadly for one, easier to control, as the recoil is only a fraction of buckshot, and with a bird shot round, you pick your caliber of shotgun, and know it will do the job, without the danger of over-penetration, in MOST cases, not all. Size isn't everything in the gun world, although it does count. You should go with the biggest caliber that you are COMFORTABLE with. For me, that happens to be a 45ACP for carry, a Marlin 44 Mag Lever action for home defense and hunting, A Ruger Super Blackhawk with a 6" barrel for hunting and target, and because it takes the same ammo as my Marlin, and a Ruger Model 77 Heavy Barrel 308 for long range and hunting with a Leupold 6.5X20X50mm scope, and a Ruger SP101 357Magnum for CCW backup gun. But I'm a big guy, with big hands, and I've been shooting since I was 7, and I'm 44 now. I'm very comfortable with large calibers, and you'll notice with the two magnum calibers I use, they both have special rounds available: the 44Special and the 38 Special, which both come in a very wide array of configurations, including fragmentation rounds, in both their magnum and "special" configurations. I also like either the Remington 870 Police model or the Mossberg 590, either of them in a 3" magnum configuration, for multi-purpose, and just blowing stuff up. But comfort should always come first. If you aren't comfortable with the gun or the round, you won't shoot well. And when the chips are down, forget all the Hollywood BS, shooting well is what will save your life. Also when it hits the fan, if you have practiced until you are comfortable enough to handle that gun and caliber in your sleep, and are comfortable, the bad guy's chances of winning just went down the toilet, no matter what caliber you choose. But I would stay away from the 25ACP, as it is pure junk. If you need smaller than a 380 or a 9mm, go with a 22. The 25 is unreliable, and pretty much useless junk. You have much better chances of a fatal wound with a 22 rather than a 25ACP. So go forth, be comfortable with both weapon and caliber, and practice. DO these and you WILL shoot well. IF you do these things, and still don't shoot well, sell your gun, and call a cop.
  4. You also have to remember though, that reloads voiding a guns warranty isn't specific to glock, but rather almost every pistol you buy. None of the pistol mfr's want the liability of supporting reloads legally. And I don't mean that it's illegal to shoot reloads, as that is the vast majority of what I shoot because of affordability, but they don't want to deal with the legal ramifications they could suffer if someone used a reload in a defensive situation, and the victim came back on the mfr. for providing a weapon that would shoot ammunition "specially designed" to kill people or hurt them badly. We all know that all ammo is designed for just that, whether it be factory or reloaded, but we all also know how "sue crazy" the world is today. And the fact that people can reload ammo to their own specifications is just another open door for the "sue happy" population. This one ranking right up with the old woman who ordered coffee at a McDonald's drive-thru, spilled it in her lap, and sued McDonalds for 1.5 million dollars because the coffee was hot. For this reason, among others that are also important considerations, is why I tell people to never carry a reload for CCW or home defense. Save them for the range.
  5. I started out shooting 9mm, and did for a couple years, to the tune of about 7,000 rounds, and had a blast shooting it. One of the things that changed my mind about it was the Miami shooting in 1986, I'm sure everyone here knows what I'm talking about. Now, I'm strictly a 45ACP man, and have been for better than 20 years. I don't care for the 9mm, BUT I have never said it couldn't do anything, as that isn't true at all. But I do believe it is a caliber best left to people who can hit their targets, and hit them in the right place. People that practice, and people that know which rounds to carry in it. For instance, the 147 grain sub-sonic round for instance is an excellent round, and proven effective, even for the casual shooter. But the 115 grain ball round is one I would never rely on, except at the range. The 45ACP round, in any of it's common forms, such as the 230 grain ball round, the 230 grain wadcutter, and 200 grain semi-wadcutter, and the 200 and 230 grain hollow point rounds, as well as the +P185 grain hollowpoint are not that hard to control at all, my wife picked mine up last week at the range, had never shot a gun before, and at 50 feet, placed all 7 rounds within the 8, 9, and 0 rings. The 45ACP is not a "High pressure" round, and is not fired at supersonic speeds. It's one of the slower rounds, but has more mass and is accurate, and will, in most cases, put a target on the ground, no matter where you hit them. The 9mm in it's 115 standard ball for however, and some of the +P configs, has been proven that it will not, depending on where the round placed on the target, as it is a very light, very fast round, that has more of a hole punch effect, versus the shock effect that the heavier 45ACP does. I'm not saying that the 9mm is by any means useless as a defense weapon. That is not the case at all. But I am saying that with the 9mm, it would be prudent for someone new to the 9mm, and new to shooting, to research and consider which rounds they will use in the gun, especially if it's a defense weapon, and practice with it until they know they can place that round where it belongs. That last I actually recommend for any and every person that chooses to pick up a gun. But with the smaller calibers, I recommend it more highly and alot more, as they are less forgiving than the larger calibers.
  6. The Hydra-Shoks will serve you well during that time. It is one helluva reliable round, and has been around a long time and is proven. One thing to consider also when looking for a defense round, and I'm by no means saying that HF is wrong, I know better, as I have met him, and respect him and what he has to say very highly, is that you have to consider the availability factor, as you are going to want to practice with the round that you want to keep in your gun for defense. You don't want availability to be too much an issue, and the HS's are readily available. Especially since rounds, even of the same bullet weight, perform differently, depending on what other components such as powder, primers, and cases were used, and how each mfr. crimps the the bullet into the case. For instance, a tighter crimp means more pressure to push the bullet, hence more recoil. Which is where the availability issue comes in. You want to keep a round in your weapon that you know you can readily obtain whenever you get the opportunity to practice. It's a real shame that it's a legal nightmare to use reloads for defense rounds and carry ammo. Or I could hook you up with bulk. But anyway, keep the availability factor in mind. Just something to keep in mind.
  7. Hi Witz. First off, I carry only 45ACP for defense, and nothing smaller than a 38/357 for backup. With that being said, read on. I owned a couple of Glock 21's, and found them to be excellent guns. They are reliable, easy to clean, and accurate. But I sold them and went back to 1911's for a couple of reasons. 1)No external safeties. 2)The grip width, even with my large hands, was uncomfortable, and I didn't like the grip itself and put on a Pachmyr rubber slip-on, which made the grip even wider. The gun just wasn't comfortable at all. 3)I didn't like the triggers. I found them spongy, and after being spoiled by 1911's, specifically Colts before they quit selling guns to civilians, the Glock just didn't measure up for me. The wider grip also made them a bit uncomfortable to carry concealed, especially if you drove a lot, in anything other than a shoulder rig. 4)After shooting just about everything made back at the time that I owned the Glock21, I got spoiled with the 1911, and just wasn't comfortable with anything else, aside from the 3" Ruger SP101 that I carried as a backup in an ankle rig. All of that being said, and being just MY PERSONAL experience with the weapon, and MY PERSONAL taste before anyone jumps me for what I posted, the Glock, except for the 9mm(and my issue with that is the caliber, not the weapon), is an excellent, well designed weapon, that is accurate and reliable, and all but indestructible. And for the price, a bargain price by most pistol standards, you can't beat it. For me though, it would just have needed gunsmithing done to it for me to keep it, and the grip is something that I didn't want to deal with it.
  8. DA, especially for casual shooters, is a semi-hard thing to get used to. But it's so important to get used to it, because it's the first shot that will come out in a defense situation. One of the reasons I recommend SAA pistols for casual shooters, because every single shot coming out of the gun will be the same. But practice is what you need, and alot of it, and you will get what you need. I have a weak right shoulder also. A car fell on me and crushed it and blew out 2 discs oin my necck, so I have nerve damage as well through my entire right arm and hand. That's the other reason I preach learning to shoot off-hand as well. I carry concealed, so I have right and left handed holsters to use depending on what my right arm and shoulder are doing when I wake up. When I lived in small NC, I didn't carry for that 4 years, but since I got back in the big city here in Tulsa, I started again, every day, just like back in Denver. And my permit is good in 30 states, so that is good also. But, back on topic, the DA will require more practice from you to get it down and keep it familiar. Go at least once a month. Make that a habit. More often if you can. But you made a really good gun choice. Don't regret it. It's a great gun. You just have to use it. I used to teach, so if you have any questions, please feel free to get with me. Hey Ledanek, See? I do more than live on a PC screen! ROFL ! ! !
  9. If you're dipping the barrel John, you're grabbing the gun, trying to anticipate the recoil. Don't. Just hold it hold it firmly, and let your finger do the squeezing, and I emphasize the squeezing part. WHen you dip, you're pulling the trigger, which is bad, not squeezing it, which is good. And forget all those "Hollywood" hand holds. They are BS. One hand firmly around the gun, the free hand firmly around the other hand, with your index finger on the front of the trigger guard. Firing arm locked but bent at the elbow, support arm semi-locked, you don't want to start shaking. Breathe before the shot, not during. Full breath in, HALF a breath out. If you do a full breath out, your body gets starved for oxygen, and you start shaking and cramp up. Hold that half a breathe for the shot, squeeze, bang, let the recoil happen, the gun will return to its initial firing position, with only minor sight adjustment needed. If you dip that gun, you have to totally reacquire you're target, and that is BAD, anywhere but the range. Try and shoot with both eyes open. You close one, you lose your peripheral vision, and in a defense situation, especially in CQ, that is VERY BAD. But again, that takes a little practice to learn, but not as much as you think. Once you're comfortable shooting, it's time to, Yes, you guessed it boys and girls, SWITCH hands ! ! Yes, that bane for most people. Learn to shoot with your off hand. Just be prepared to spend some ammo money, because that will take a little doing, and LOTS of practice. Why bother you say? I'm glad you asked, kids. Because if an intruder walks into your house, and you do the typical thing and grab gun and flashlight(I never grab flashlight, as I know my house in my sleep, and don't want to attract unwanted attention until I'M READY, not them), the first thing they see is the flashlight, and if you are holding it right, your gun hand could be hit. Even if you don't have a flashlight, you shoot, your first shot misses, they are going to be semi-flash blind from the muzzle flash, and shoot at that. Again, your main gun hand is at risk. You NEED to know how to shoot off-hand. It's IMPORTANT! I'm glad you like the Sig John. They are one of the best pistols out there, and one of the best DA pistols around. And reliable is their middle name. Just shoot every single chance you get. One, you will get good. Two, yyou will be confident with it. And Three, and this is right at the top of my list because if you do this, the other two just come. Take it seriously, but HAVE FUN !!! That's an order ! !
  10. Well John, the Power Ball is a very good candidate. But the old timer on the block for this app would be the Glaser Safety Slug. Very, very mean to home invaders, but proven safe to loved ones on the other side of sheet rock. It's what they call a Frangible round. Quoted from this site. I carried Glasers for years as a CCW load in one magazine, just in case I happened to get mugged in a store instead of the parking lot, which is what usually happened. For indoor use, especially for the casual shooter using a pistol, if you can, always try and use a safety round, especially if you don't get the chance to shoot much, which ups the percentage of chance that you could miss your target. But if safety ammo isn't readily available where you are, for the home get the heaviest, wide-mouthed hollow point you can get, such as CCI Blazer, which is the equivalent of CCI Lawman, only in an un-reloadable, aluminun case, versus a re-loadable brass casing, which doesn't pertain to you anyway. The bullet is a bit lighter, but the mouth of that sucker is so wide, that it makes up the difference. Federal's Hydra-Shok is another time tested, fantastic round that I'm never without, but it will penetrate unfortunately. That would be a good round for outside the home. Glaser will be your best bet, and are about $11.00 per 6 rounds, but well worth it. Barring them, the Power Ball. The Power Ball is a lot less expensive at about $1.00 a round, versus almost $2.00 a round for the Glaser's. Get enough to fill both of your magazines, and one or two extra packs so you can shoot it and know how you and your gun will react to it. That is VERY important. I cannot stress this enough. Knowing your gun and the food you're feeding it will help keep you alive when the chips fall. IF you know what your gun will do when you pull that trigger ahead of time, it's one less thing to think about when that butt head breaks into your house. Hopefully, God willing, you will never have to point that gun at someone and actually pull that trigger. But if you have to, at least on the gun front, you will be ready on that front. But John, you can have the best gun and the best ammo that money could buy. Just make sure you do your best to prepare yourself mentally to use that gun. Because once you use it, you can't take back what you did. That will be more important than any gun or ammo selection you can make. I know I've said this in previous posts, but it's SO IMPORTANT. And if you have questions, ask them. Don't be afraid to ask them. Just talk to someone who knows what they are talking about, not any wannabe Rambo's. They will get you or your loved one's killed, possibly by you. Talk to someone who knows what they are talking about, and someone intelligent.
  11. I'm kinda old school and in to proven reliability. When it comes to 9mm, if that's just what you have to have, I'd go with a Federal Hydra-shok 147 grain HP, as it's a sub-sonic round for the 9, which ups it's "stopping power" considerably, and will be effective as a HP round, even through heavy winter clothing, and automotive glass. I would have 4 mags, and this goes for any caliber you carry. 2 with hollow points, and 2 with heavy ball ammo for what you carry, as a lot of hollow points(HP) will lose most of their energy on heavy winter clothing and anything heavier than cotton or paper. Ball ammo won't, and 99 out of 100 times will never fail you. If you have to choose one bullet type, ALWAYS, ALWAYS go with ball ammo, no matter what caliber you have.. For instance, the 45ACP version is 230 grain ball ammo, grain referring to bullet weight. (Also refers to powder load, but that is entirely different topic and doesn't apply here). All these fancy, expensive hollow points are great. But 1) you don't know how they will react, especially in winter with heavy layers of clothing, not to mention car parts, and 2) they are expensive, ball is not, and is ALWAYS reliable, especially for the beginning shooter. There is always time later to experiment with fancy, cool looking hollow points later. For in the home, get a good safety round that will destroy the target without the ability to penetrate sheet rock or wood, endangering family members, but keep a mag of ball ammo handy, just in case. And get the heaviest ball round for your caliber that you can get. Remember, when it comes down to it, MOST, and I stress that word, most of the time, a slower, heavier round is best. It will penetrate because it's heavier, and most likely stop in the target because it's slower, facilitating the one shot stop. What a lot of people, including law enforcement don't understand, is how bodies react to bullets and how they work. They don't get that a 20 gauge 7 1/2 birdshot load alot of times is more deadly than 00 buck, simply because there are more pellets, the pattern is devastating at distances up to 30 feet, and it won't over penetrate like the 30 caliber 00 buck pellets. Personally, I have 2 favorites for home defense long guns: a 12 or 20 gauge, loaded with 7 1/2 bird shot, and a Marlin Lever action 44 mag with a 10 shot mag that takes either magnum or special rounds, and will even shoot the safety slugs reliably without modification or problems. THe 44 rifle is my favorite, as the lever action gives that same fear factor as the pump on a shotgun, but is more versatile, has longer range, a bigger, higher capacity magazine, and is the same length as a riot gun. Anyway, the human body is basically air tight, just like a balloon, only we are full of blood veins, blood vessels, and arteries. Most peole don't know also that human organs will stretch like rubber bands when hit with handgun rounds, and a lot of times suffer no more than some bruising. And yes, I'm sure there are tons of folks who could point me to some contrary articles, there are always contrary articles and circumstances, just like the gun control argument, only not as many contrary articles to this argument, but as a general rule, this holds true, and has been tested extensively. So what really does the damage is the shock to the body when the bullet hits it. It's like a needle popping a balloon. Only if the round is too light and too fast, like the 130 grain 9mm ball round, it's more like a super sonic hole punch. If it doesn't hit heart or head, it goes right through you, causing little bleeding, and little damage. Think of it like getting hit with a finishing hammer in the foot versus a 16Lb. sledge in the foot. Which will fubar you the most with a single blow? The larger, slower round will penetrate more for one, and rupture more for two. What kills most gunshot vics is 1) shock, and 2) bleeding to death from vein, artery, and vessel ruptures, with the exception of head shots and direct heart shots, and on the heart shot, the heart is ruptured due to lack of elasticity that the other organs(most of them anyway) have. Let's NOT even bring rifle rounds into this. That's an entirely different ballgame. It is also proven that a leather biker jacket can stop a 9mm HP round, as it causes it to expand before it hits the body, and will even stop it short of flesh. I know this is true with some 9mm HP rounds, except the Hydra Shok 147 grain sub-sonic HP, as I have tested it myself(ONLY on the JACKET) of course. Hitting the jacket at 10 feet with the light 9mm super-sonic HP caused the bullet to fill with lreather and expand BEFORE penetration to the body could occur. On several counts, it didn't penetrate the leather biker jacket. So I keep 6 mags for my 45 ACP. 2 with standard Remington 230 grain ball, 2 with 165 grain Power Ball safety slugs for in-home use, and 2 mags that alternate the two rounds every other round. That way, whatever circumstances pop their ugly head, I'm ready for it. You can go with all the fancy names and designs you want. The higher tech, the fancier the neat design in the hollow point, the more you'll spend, big time. You'll pay for 20 of these what you'd pay for 50 of the other. And it isn't necessary in the least, especially if you're on a budget. You will never go wrong with the old names, which are most often the least expensive, such as Remington and Winchester, with Federal being a bit more money. For a pistol, I'd go with heavier and slower. Better penetration, and the bullet will stay in the body, whether it be ball or HP. All the neat cuts and stars in today's HP rounds are cool, but unnecessary, when standard designs have been working for at least 100 years. I still have 2 mags in my nightstand loaded with CCI Lawman HP "Flying Ashtrays". the HP is big enough to literally stick a cigarette butte in the end unmodified. You can't get them anymore. But the damage they do is, in a word, awesome. There isn't another word for it if you've ever seen it. IF you're on a budget John, stick with the 4 major American mfr's: Remington, Winchester, American Eagle(being the least expensive), and Federal (being the more expensive of the 4). Never, ever accept a reload or use one for self defense unless in dire straits and left no alternative. You WILL pay lawyers a fortune to keep you out of jail, if they can, and you'll pay anyway, and the court battle will be ugly. And you may lose. And remember: The higher the grain number, the better, whether it be an HP or a ball round. Because it means it's a heavier bullet. Just because they have all this new tech out, doesn't mean it's the best. Old school is still the best sometimes, and I believe it is, especially when it comes to protecting my family. Old school is long proven, reliable, and the designs have been perfected, some of them over 100 years time. New tech has been out a vastly smaller amount of time, is still being developed, and may or may not perform to expectations. You won't know until the moment comes. But old school, the moment has happened countless times, the tech worked the vast, vast majority of that time, and is cheaper. You definitely have a lot of choices. I gave you my recommendations. Just really, really consider all of your options, and discount no opinion or recommendation. Just compare them and research them before you decide on a round or two to gamble yours and your family and friends life on. It's as important a decision as the gun you chose. And make sure you get some extra boxes and shoot your choices, because comfort is as important in ammo as it is in the gun you choose. And get extras so you can shoot to stay in practice, as you never know when they will pass a law banning the ammo you choose.
  12. I apologize for that Jon. Even though a "Lite" political remark, it shouldn't have been made at all. Politics of any kind has no place here, 'Lite' or otherwise. Again, my bad, and we won't even think about starting a debate on the misinformed part. Let's just stick to the topic at hand. That is so true. Too many people, including some here, totally forget that, or worse, it never crosses their mind at all. When you sign on to carry a gun, there are no "Easy circumstances". Going out to eat can turn into one of the most ugly situations you could ever imagine, and it would never be expected, just like most of those type situations. No one expects them to happen. No one can predict them or where they will happen. You carry a concealed weapon, you had better be mentally prepared for it the moment you strap on leather, before you ever leave the house, and you had better be prepared to handle the worst EVERY time you carry that gun. EVERY TIME. To do anything else would be grossly irresponsible, and extremely dangerous, not only to you, but to everyone around you. It isn't like going out and learning to drive a stick shift for the first time. ANY and EVERY time you have a gun in your hand is a potentially deadly, life threatening situation. People that hand out this kind of advice scare me. And the thought that they may have a CCW scares me even more, because they don't know what they are talking about, and that is the kind of advice that will get someone killed. IF he goes out thinking it is going to be an easy carry situation, and that is where his mind set is, his mind will not, guaranteed, be where it needs to be, should the unthinkable happen. And unfortunately, the unthinkable is all to thinkable and commonplace these days. John, there is no embarrassment at all in saying "I may not be ready for this". None at all. And if someone isn't ready, LEAVE THE GUN AT HOME. That is the most comfortable, sane thing to do, and just wreaks of common sense, something of which here is far too little of these days. Be totally comfortable, and mentally prepared before you even think about carrying. That will keep you alive, and innocents safe. When you choose to carry a weapon, there are no stages, no "I think this will be an easy carry situation". There is prepared, and NOT prepared. Don't be the latter. Take it from someone who has been in that situation on 3 occassions, and from someone who has taught alot of folks to shoot. You don't wnat to get caught by surprise, have a supposedly cool nite turn into a horrendous situation, and have your thoughts bouncing back and forth between the "Should I do something" thought,, and the " I have a gun, but am I ready to do something" thought. It's a BAD place to be when the crappola hits the fan. It's a place you never want to visit. ANY TIME you carry a gun, you want to be TOTALLY PREPARED, and TOTALLY SURE OF YOURSELF, no cut corners, no stages. Save the doing it in stages for the firing range. That is the only place "Stages" belong when it comes to ANY gun. And talk to professionals if you question or doubt ANYTHING. Talk to only people you trust, if it is in a situation like this forum, and barring that, talk to professionals who know, not people who think they know. When it comes to carrying, BE SURE. Because if you aren't and you're wrong, not only can the wrong folks get shot, including yourself, there WILL be bad repercussions, up to and including the possibility of life in prision, and even the death penalty. Leave stages at the gun range where they belong. DA's are a totally different animal. Take your time, and shoot it a lot. I know I'm twisting your arm here, and just forcing you to do something you hate [sarcasm, lol], but get totally comfortable with it, and don't carry until you know exactly what that gun will do. Sig makes one helluva gun. Always have, and I know you will enjoy it. My first and only double action auto was a Sig P220, 45ACP. Loved it, but it was 1,000 rounds before I was totally used to, and comfortable with the trigger. Take your time, enjoy the gun, and shoot lots. You won't regret it. That is so true. Too many people, including some here, totally forget that, or worse, it never crosses their mind at all.
  13. As usual, Priceless. Awesome, as there are no refunds on firearms, so now you can really get a feel for what you are going to get, and make sure you are comfortable with it. Gratz on finding the range. Very true. But, most people are home at night, and burglars and criminals know this. Anyone breaking into your house at night when they know you are home constitutes one of the most dangerous threats to your life, and the life of your loved ones there is. It makes them desperate and desperate = most dangerous. People are most dangerous when they are desperate. I wouldn't do the yelling thing unless I could back it up with a 200-230 grain hollow point. It'd be a real bummer if the criminal called your bluff, and the only weapon you have is your dentures and and your voice box. Especially when the average police response time is 2-3 minutes. That 2-3 minutes = eternity in that kind of situation. If you have no way to defend yourself against armed invaders (and if you are smart, you will consider any home invader armed and extremely dangerous), the best thing to do is dial 911, hide, and be quiet, and hope the crook doesn't find you before the cops find your address. Ever heard the phrase "Who is dumb enough to bring a knife to a gun fight?" Same rules apply. In some cases, this is very true. But how do you determine who is the sensible villain that only wants your VCR, and who is the nutcase there to shoot you, rape and shoot your wife, and steal your kids, and do it all in the blink of an eye? Screw the whole yelling thing. Protect your family. If you aren't armed, if you can, call the cops, be quiet, and wait for them to show up. If you are armed, call the copes, give them the address info, leave the phone line open to 911 so they can hear what's happening and get it on tape to help cover your ass, and do what you can to get the invader out. Verbally, so that 911 can hear you and get it on tape, yell for the perp to drop his weapon, and get on the floor, and if he hesitates even for a second, drop him like a used rubber by pulling that trigger until he falls on the floor unmoving, RELOAD, keep him covered, and wait for the cops, who will predictably and undoubtedly show up 5 seconds after the action. It's a law of probability. The story is probably very true. There are a few people out there who have gotten away very luckily with that maneuver. But people today are alot more crazy, armed to the teeth, high on drugs, which is why they are breaking in in the first place. All of these facts make them alot more dangerous today than when we were all growing up. Don't take chances with yours or your families safety. Please. There aren't that many real good guys left. We need all of them that we can get our hands on. And guys, make sure you get whatever pistols and rifles you want now, before Obama passes the new gun bill. If it passes, buying anything with more than a 5 round capacity will become either a pipe dream, or a black market dream. That new gun bill is a bad business, just like the new health bill. So get what ya want while you can.
  14. It's true, there have been some that needed 'smithing out of the box, depending on the ammo you use, and the brand of gun you chose. I had a Glock and sold it right after I put 10 boxes of ball through it, because of a) lack of safeties, the whole (this(wiggling trigger finger as I say it) is my safety) is BS in my eyes, and dangerous in the hands of someone who doesn't shoot on a regular basis, and practice for threats if he or she is going to carry. The only time I've had to have a 1911 worked on, was a) if I am using semi-wadcutters, and if I was carrying flying ashtrays as carry ammo(CCI Lawman 200 grain hollow point). And even then it was a simple throat and polish for 65 bucks. I presently own my recommendation, and have not had to have a bit of work done on it right out of the box. It does a nice 1" group at 50 feet, and has so far fed everything from the afore mentioned hollow points to my reloaded semi-wadcutters, and is my current carry weapon that I just qualified for my permit with. I have personally found Glocks, at least in the compact models very uncomfortable with my big hands and fingers, and I don't at all like the lack of safeties, nor did I like the spongy triggers. But then I'm used to single action autos with tuned 4 pound triggers for competition, and a nice, crisp 6 pound trigger for defense, and without trigger work, you can't get that out of any Glock, or any other DAA. The DAA's are bad for a spongy, heavy first pull, and spongy single action pulls thereafter. I don't know whether anyone has even determined which action the Glock is. But, those are my personal opinions. A person should shoot and carry a) what they are comfortable with and like, and what fits there hand, and c) what they know how to shoot, both in the dark and asleep, and wide awake at the range or in the neighborhood. Whatever your choice is, just remember to practice till you know it backwards, forwards, and every other 'wards', and stay safe, and teach yourself to THINK before you shoot. And, unless in a defense situation, have fun with it. Take it very seriously, but have fun. You'll learn alot that way also. Just learn the 'musts' before having fun. Oh yeah, one more note on the whole John Rambo thing: It WILL get you hurt or killed, or even have the perp taking your gun away, sticking it someplace bad, and turning you into a meat popsicle. CAUTION and COMMON SENSE are what will keep you and innocent bystanders, as well as your family alive. APPLY both very liberally. THey are the only things you should do liberally though. hehe.
  15. OMG! Those are priceless ! ! Nice find!