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I know Consoles are modified PC's just with different controllers but I have thought of this for awhile and wondered why they haven't done this yet.

 

First off, why can't you just put a "Special" drive in your modern PC tower and be able to insert a game disc and just play it from the disc like the Xbox360 or PS3 did? No install required, so

 

you could have unlimited games without worrying about taking up precious hard drive space. All you would is need hard drive space for saving the game like the Xbox 360 did. Basically it would turn

 

your pc into a Console that you could upgrade like RAM and Video card if needed.

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that's pretty much how it used to be back in the day, when hard drive space was precious. you either installed the whole game, parts of it (heavy stuff like assets and audio would be loaded from CD), or played the thing directly from CD.

 

nowadays hard drive space is cheap, and retailers keep dying out thanks to Steam. it's no longer viable or needed to produce CDs/DVDs with games, since most people download them anyway.

 

personally, I prefer the Steam way because I no longer need shelf space for my disks. last time I bought a disk with a game was back in 2005 or something. I don't miss those times.

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I know Consoles are modified PC's just with different controllers but I have thought of this for awhile and wondered why they haven't done this yet.

 

That isn't an accurate view of a console unfortunately. Modern consoles are made out of PC parts yes, but they are constructed and utilized in a much more efficient way than a PC. There is a lot less HW and SW overhead in a console because they are purpose built and a closed system 100% under control of the platform owner. The memory/cpu pathways are much more efficient because data is utilized in one specific way. Drivers and interfaces are built for a single set of hardware and software for consoles is packaged up in very precise ways to maximize that specific architecture. While a PC is more general purpose and built to do many different types of things.

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What's the big difference between these two in terms of performance?

 

If you compared the same game on the lower AW to PS4 would AW be better?

 

http://m.ebay.com/itm/231520606841?nav=SEARCH

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RH6B3XS/ref=dp_ob_neva_mobile

 

Anything better pre built on amazon on the same price range?

 

Thanks

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The second PC has an ancient GPU. I wouldn't be surprised if a PS4 could run games better because of it. The first PC you listed uses a laptop GPU which isn't going to be impressive either. Both are extremely over priced for the performance. Both also have garbage cases with poor airflow. Don't get fooled by "console PCs", which are essentially PCs shoved into tiny cases with terrible cooling. They would be a pain to upgrade to. Brings a lot of the draw backs of consoles together with the draw backs on a PC. Kind of a worst of both situation.

 

You should look into building your own, as you'll get a much better PC than anything prebuilt. There are only about 10 parts in a PC and it should only take about an hour to assemble. Look into spending $1000-1200 on the PC itself excluding accessories. Of course, if you are okay with low end graphics, poor image quality and frame rates under 60 then you can spend less.

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The gpu listed is a mistake I comes with AMD Radeon R9 270 ?

 

Still not that great. As mentioned, Amazon, newegg and occasionally NCIX are good places to look. There are about 10 parts in a PC and they're pretty easy to assemble after watching a few youtube videos and quickly browsing over manuals if needed. The speed & quality you'll get from a pre-built isn't as good a value. Add ~$200-300 or so for the same parts if you want to get it pre-built. Before people can recommend parts, you should probably answer the following:

 

What resolution do you want to play at? I would recommend 1080 unless you're going to a higher end PC.

 

What frame rate do you find acceptable?

 

Do you hate noisy computers?

 

What kind of games will you play?

 

How much hard drive/SSD drive space do you need?

 

What spare parts, if any, do you have?

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There are about 10 parts in a PC and they're pretty easy to assemble after watching a few youtube videos and quickly browsing over manuals if needed.

You make it sound like Lego...

Sure, building a PC is not rocket science. But still there is a lot of stuff which can go wrong (first off: ordering incompatible parts). Learning how to do it via YouTube might not be a good idea for everyone. Small mistakes can get pretty expansive. Usually it's helpful if some nerd with at least some experience helps to select parts and to assemble them.

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basicly if you can install windows you can assemble a pc,

building a pc with compatible parts is the easy bit, keeping running smooth with windows is hard part

 

research is your friend, google the parts you want, with reviews as part of your search,

Dont buy top of the line everything gets pricy, buy the next one down coz for the xtra 1fps you gain by buying the best it isnt worth the $$$$

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GIGABYTE GA-F2A88XM-D3H FM2+ / FM2 AMD A88X (Bolton D4) 8 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard$84.99 -$15.00 Instant $69.99

 

AMD AMD A6-7400K Kaveri Dual-Core 3.5GHz Socket FM2+ AD740KYBJABOX Radeon R5 series$72.99 -$8.00 Instant $64.99

 

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL $64.99 -$10.00 Instant $54.99

 

Kingston SSDNow V300 Series SV300S37A/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)$69.99 -$10.00 Instant $59.99

 

Seagate Hybrid Drive ST1000DX001 1TB MLC/8GB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s NCQ 3.5" Desktop SSHD$109.99 -$30.00 Instant $79.99

 

Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit - OEM $99.99

 

Subtotal: $429.94

 

maybe a Radeon R9 280 $195

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Id think about quad core and faster cpu if u can afford or little bit more

 

first PCI-E x16 slot conforms to the PCI Express 3.0 standard. The second x16 slot conforms to the PCI Express 2.0 standard and runs at x4.

The board also has a single x1 slot, which is ideal for adding USB3 and LAN cards, for example, and a single legacy PCI slot for installing older expansion cards such as TV tuners. Unfortunately, you won’t be able to access the x1 slot if you use a dual-slot graphics card.

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I would be playing on my TV so 1080P.

 

I just want to play GB,Indugancy,CS,AA,H-Hour and indie horror.I will still be playing my console with friends so I don't care about mind blowing pc graphics. I want to play the games I mentioned with similar to ps4 or slightly better performances.

 

I would be playing on my TV so 1080P.

 

I just want to play GB,Indugancy,CS,AA,H-Hour and indie horror.I will still be playing my console with friends do I don't care about mind blowing pc graphics. I want to play the games I mentioned with similar to ps4 or slightly better performances.

 

I was hoping to stay under $800

 

If this can do that I think it would be a good starting point.The card listed is wrong it is AMD Radeon R9 270

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RH6B3XS/ref=dp_ob_neva_mobile

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You're fixated on Alienware? If so, it's your wallet.

I'd consider other companies like Digital Storm or Falcon Northwest.

Then, you'd be in good company

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That isn't a terrible PC, but it isn't the best set up. The CPU is good but the GPU is a bit weak. GPUs are, in general, more important than CPUs in games. And for nearly $1000 it doesn't have an SSD. To top it off, the case design isn't good for upgrading and might run hot. Point being, you're spending a good bit more than you should be for what you get IMO. Are you fixated on a small form factor PC? If you must go small, I would at least look into a well build ITX case. Otherwise, a normal ATX layout is the best.

 

I'll put up a list of parts which you can use for a build. If you have a Microcenter nearby you can likely get a CPU & motherboard combo for cheaper than any online store, so I though I'd mention it.

 

CPU: - $215

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372&cm_re=4690k-_-19-117-372-_-Product

 

Motherboard: - $100 with $10 mail in rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130779

 

RAM: - $53

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313429

 

GPU Option 1 - XFX R290: - $270, $10 promo code = $260, $20 mail in rebate

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150697&cm_re=AMD_R290-_-14-150-697-_-Product

 

GPU Option 2 ASIS R290X - $310, $10 promo code = $300, $30 mail in rebate

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121922&cm_re=AMD_R290-_-14-121-922-_-Product

 

GPU Option 3 MSI GTX 970 4G - $330, $10 mail in rebate, free copy of The Witcher 3 & Batman Arkham Knight

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127832

 

PSU - Corsair CX600 M - $65, $20 mail in rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139048

 

Case - Corsair Carbide 300r - $70

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011

 

OS - Windows 8.1 64bit OEM - $100

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416776&cm_re=windows_8-_-32-416-776-_-Product

 

SSD - Crucial BX 100 500GB - $200, $20 mail in rebate

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148946&cm_re=crucial_bx_100-_-20-148-946-_-Product

 

CD/DVD Samsung - $20 - $7 promo code = $13

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151266

 

** Optional ** CPU cooler - CM Hyper 212 Evo - $35 <---- Not neccessary, only if you want to keep the noise down

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099&cm_re=Cooler_Master_Hyper_212_EVO-_-35-103-099-_-Product

 

Total before mail in rebates if you go with option 1 and no aftermarket CPU cooler = $976 before tax / shipping. What do you get over the Alienware you listed?

 

- Faster GPU with more VRAM

- SSD

- Upgradable

 

Disadvantages:

- Slower CPU, although the difference in most games isn't noticable

- Less storage space, but keep in mind this is a much slower HDD

 

Option 3 gets you the fastest GPU at $70 more, but you also get two new games (Witcher 3 & Batman). If you planned on getting those anyways you'd probably end up saving money; so if you have interest in those games you may as well buy the GTX 970.

 

When it comes to gaming, the parts I picked out give you a considerbly better value. If you search around you can find better deals. I would compare prices on Amazon. As for the building it is pretty straight forward. You'll spend more time making the cables look neat in the case than anything else. A lot of the parts take a few seconds to install, like the RAM, CPU, GPU, & SSD.

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SSD's are mainly used for the OS and programs. They cut load times in games, some by a large amount. They also speed up installation. Installing a large game (20-30GB) takes about half the time on my SSD compared to my HDD. As your HDD gets older, you have more files on it, and Windows gets older, you'll occasionally experience some minimal stuttering in some games. This isn't an issue with SSDs. Also they don't make any noise. The difference is pretty big. Once you get an SSD you'll wish you could forgo HDDs forever.

 

Typically for storage & files like videos, photos, ect. you use an HDD simply because SSDs are too pricey. Given that you are probably only going to play a few games I think 500GB of storage is plenty for now. You can always add an HDD or another SSD later if needed.

 

If you do want to bring the price down, you can always swap it out with a 2TB HDD (they can be had for $100 or less). But IMO, for a gaming PC I would want an SSD.

 

And I thought I would bring up the controller topic quickly. Currently the Xbox One controller doesn't have full Windows support, and it seems like Microsoft is not too interested in bringing full functionality to Windows for it. You can always grab a 360 controller. I've seen the wired ones as cheap as $21 at NCIX. I think I paid $29 for mine. PS4 controllers do work on Windows (not sure how well), but the Xbox controllers have good support in PC games. Switching from mouse / keyboard is very simply. Most games will instantly switch between displaying keyboard key hints to Xbox controller hints. So unless you hate the Xbox layout, I would look into a 360 controller.

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