[Jsonedecker]

Call to arms so to speak..... I'm in need of some decent slow motion movies or sequential still images of some weapons being fired.

M9 (or Beretta 92 series)
M1911 style
Sig Sauer

Possibly some others but right now that's it.

Yes, this is for the BFS project. I am very familiar with how the weapons work, but since I am working from memory I want to be as accurate as possible.

Post anything you care to share here please.

[Aldous]

Slow motion 1911 firing.

[Grendel]

Just to be clear, you're asking for high speed footage, rather than slowmo (which is often 24-30FPS video, slowed down).

High speed tests are the kind of stuff you see when they use ballistics gel on MythBusters.  The high number of captured frames allows you to properly dissect the operation of a fast-moving machine (like a gun or an engine).


Here's a high speed test with a MK23 SOCOM.  Fascinating stuff.

[Swedish_Seb]

Educational animations from Genitron

[Grendel]

Mythbusters gun porn.  High speed footage at the credits, of the M-134.  Not what you asked for, but definitely neat to see the spent casings and links spewing out like water from a pipe.

Sadly, it's rather difficult to find good high speed footage.  At least, it has been for me.  The best option would be to rent a camera and process it yourself; as purchasing a high speed camera costs $3K+.  

[Jsonedecker]

Good stuff guys!

And yes, I guess I am after the high speed stuff. I'm working on weapon animations and just want to make sure I am getting things right. In all my years of shooting I never really tried to study the mechanics of the weapons as a shot was fired. Getting to the range with these isn't feasible at the moment either.

I remember shooting that Mk23 and my god is it an unwieldy animal. Not so much because of recoil, though there is plenty, but in sheer size. HF and I were discussing it one day and he said they even shelved it for something else most times. Ok, back on topic......

[Grendel]

It is a long gun (not literally, but you get my point).  I actually prefer the heft of it, but the length is simply unwieldy.  Not to mention, my disdain for the .45 cartridge.  Too much recoil.

There should be a scientific website dedicated solely to the operation and documentation of firearms.




Wait...there isn't one?  Really, internet?  Really?



John, I think we found our calling.  Start-up time!  

[Ermac]

Grendel, on May 5 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

It is a long gun (not literally, but you get my point).  I actually prefer the heft of it, but the length is simply unwieldy.  Not to mention, my disdain for the .45 cartridge.  Too much recoil.

There should be a scientific website dedicated solely to the operation and documentation of firearms.




Wait...there isn't one?  Really, internet?  Really?



John, I think we found our calling.  Start-up time!  

The .45 recoil isn't too bad.

[Whisper_44]

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Not to mention, my disdain for the .45 cartridge. Too much recoil

I'm with Ermac, I prefer the deliberateness (?) of the .45 to anything else.. though I can shoot 9mm-.40 almost as well, I like the .45 better

[krise madsen]

Here's a couple of high speed YouTube vids of SIG's firing.

YouTube

YouTube


Respectfully

krise madsen

[Snowfella]

With those 3 though it should pretty much just be the same all over again.
All 3 would predominately be fired in single action, ie hammer up and ready to rock, although all but the M1911 also can be fired in double action mode....ie the hammer will be raised at the pull of the trigger, the 1911 is SA only though.
And all 3 from memory are barreltilt locked, in other words the rear of the barrel/breach is forced downwards during cycling in order to unlock. Although something in the back of my mind is screaming that I'm wrong about the M9 and wiki also says the M9 is an in-line operated weapon, ie it uses a rotating locking block allowing the barrel to stay in-line during cycling.

[krise madsen]

Snowfella, on May 6 2009, 08:58 AM, said:

With those 3 though it should pretty much just be the same all over again.
All 3 would predominately be fired in single action, ie hammer up and ready to rock, although all but the M1911 also can be fired in double action mode....ie the hammer will be raised at the pull of the trigger, the 1911 is SA only though.
And all 3 from memory are barreltilt locked, in other words the rear of the barrel/breach is forced downwards during cycling in order to unlock. Although something in the back of my mind is screaming that I'm wrong about the M9 and wiki also says the M9 is an in-line operated weapon, ie it uses a rotating locking block allowing the barrel to stay in-line during cycling.

*smacks self on forehead* Of course! How could I forget? Yes, the Beretta uses a different system, similar to the Walther P38, and the barrel does not tilt.

This is the best slo-mo vid I could find. It's a full auto M93R, but the basic principle is the same:

YouTube

TBH, I'm rather surprised this much detail goes into animating the firing sequence, or maybe I'm just reading too much into this.

Respectfully

krise madsen

Edited by krise madsen, 06 May 2009 - 02:48 PM.

[Thoramir]

John,

I've got a SIG P226 and my wife's engineering department has a high speed video camera (actually I think they have a couple). Her boss has been known to take the camera home once in a while, BUT he's very protective of it. It's a long shot but if you need a P226, I can see if I can get him to agree to to film my SIG for you. The upside is that there's a pretty good chance that he has played some of the games you've worked on.

That said, my P226 is an elite in .40. I'm guessing the SIG 3d model render I've seen on this site is most likely a standard P226 in 9mm. However, there would be some slight differences in the timing of the gun's cycling and handling between the two variants.

If you're interested, let me know. I'm not very good at finagling such things, but that would be a movie I'd love to make, and we could do film from many angles so you could get whatever you need.

Edited by Thoramir, 17 May 2009 - 03:20 PM.

[Jsonedecker]

thanks for the offer, but we're good now. Found lots of useful info on the net already.

[Kirq]

Animation of a 1911 pistol's operation

[V2_Bloodline]

1911

animation (see Kirq's above)

http://smg.photobuck...cleSideview.mp4

http://www.m1911.org/1911desc.htm





M9

http://www.genitron....Beretta-92.html







Others

Glock

Bushmaster

HK416 vs M4

AK-47

[Ick]

http://i276.photobuc...aglockworks.gif

Did someone say Glock?

Seems like the guys set you up,

[(ToK2)BASI881-CZ]

CZ 75 P-01 review

[V2_Bloodline]

In SLOW motion, man.